By CHARLES R. BURNS
A research associate on the staff of the Illinois Legislative Council, Springfield, he received his B.A. in political science from Grinnell College and his M.A. from Eastern Illinois University.

Patricia Bourdoumis: thousands like her will get out the vote

POLITICS, it has been said, is the engine of government. If this is so, then the analogy can be extended to call precincts the boiler rooms of politics. In these confines you can find the precinct committeemen converting local talent into the energy that makes the political system work. It is incumbent upon any student of government and politics now and again to go into these boiler rooms and talk with the people who end up with raw knuckles and callouses the day after an election. The morale, attitudes, and stamina of these people provide important clues as to the general condition of the political engine.

Patricia Bourdoumis, a native and resident of Hillsboro, the county seat of Montgomery County, is the mother of two young children and secretary to the principal of Hillsboro Junior High School. She has completed one year of college at Washington University in St. Louis and is married to Nick Bourdoumis, who works for Illinois Consolidated Telephone Company. She became active in politics because she likes to meet people and finds the issues interesting. Previously serving as secretary to the Montgomery County Republican Central Committee, she was her husband's campaign manager in his unsuccessful 1974 bid for treasurer of Montgomery County. Currently, she is Republican precinct committeeman of Hillsboro's fifth precinct, one of the most populous in that county.

In two interviews over a four-week period last summer, I talked politics with Committeeman Bourdoumis. Most of the time she sat on the edge of her chair, prefacing each comment with a deep breath that must indicate some of the potential energy that she brings to her job as precinct committeeman.

Burns: How much time does your precinct work take?
Bourdoumis: All day election day, of course. Before the election, we have workers going house-to-house throughout the entire precinct. We make phone calls before the election. This generally adds up to a solid week. The organization and distribution of literature takes a lot of time, too. I try to make a list of what I have to do each day before the election. Of course, I was helping my husband in his race, so I was even busier last time. Scheduling becomes very important. Getting literature out, meeting people, and attending party functions in the county take every night as the election gets closer.

Burns: Do you find that, because you're a committeeman, people come to you for help in other things that require phone work, contacting people, and so on?
Bourdoumis: Oh yes, Cancer Crusades, school bond issues, ice cream socials — people are always looking for someone who knows the area and is willing to work. Ifs hard work, but it keeps you in contact with your neighbors. That's the best thing about it. Going to different places in the county and seeing people that you have met while working on this project or that.

Burns: Do you know all of the voters in your precinct by name?
Bourdoumis: Sure, I've lived here all of my life. New people move in all of the time, of course, but working with the school system keeps me in touch with the new people.

Burns: How important is personal contact in politics?
Bourdoumis: Oh, it's really important. You can never overestimate its importance — especially in the smaller communities. People in small towns want to know that they count. Too many politicians forget about these people.

Burns: Does the system work the other way? Do people come to you and say that this is bothering me, or can't you do something about such-and-such?
Bourdoumis: Yes, they want to know about particular candidates. If they're having a problem with government, they want to know how to contact someone who can help them. Sometimes they want a job, or want to know how to go about getting a job.

Burns: And what do you do?
Bourdoumis: Having been secretary to the central committee, I merely call the offices of our legislators. They take care of it from there. Usually they return the call. Other precinct committeemen go through their county chairmen.

Burns: Have you ever supported candidates that were Republicans, but that you personally didn't like?
Bourdoumis: No, never.

Burns: Do you think that most precinct committeemen feel that way?
Bourdoumis: I doubt it. It's hard to tell really. We don't usually talk about that sort of thing.

Burns: Would you "lay off a candidate if the party told you to?
Bourdoumis: No, not if I were convinced he had the right ideals. I'd give him a chance if I personally believed in him. I might be wrong, but I'd let the voters decide that for themselves. It would annoy me a little to be told to do something like that.

Burns: Do you have any personal political ambitions?
Bourdoumis: Not at this time. The amount of time and money that has to be spent in a campaign is tremendous. It's easier for people who have money, because they can just leave their jobs to campaign.

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A precinct committeeman in Montgomery County, she is the mother of two young children and a school principal's secretary

Burns: Why is campaigning so expensive?
Bourdoumis: Because you have literature, giveaway things like pencils or calendars, advertising in both the papers and radio, maybe television. Research of the issues costs both time and money.

Burns: What about the financial disclosure requirements that now affect state and local officials in Illinois? Some people have said that this discourages people from running for political office.
Bourdoumis: I think that the requirements are just fine. I don't think that it discourages people. They just have to keep the proper books. It isn't that hard.

Burns: Do you think politics is corrupt?
Bourdoumis: There is corruption in some places, definitely. Not all politics is corrupt, however.

Burns: Where do you see the corruption?
Bourdoumis: Everywhere. From the local level on up.

Burns: Why?
Bourdoumis: I don't know the answer to that. I know that there are a lot of under-the-table dealings. It seems that the higher you go, the more corrupt it is.

Burns: Is that because there is more money near the top, or because the people are different?
Bourdoumis: I'm not sure. I'm afraid, however, that you could start out in politics completely honest and end up completely corrupt.

Burns: Do you see that happening to you?
Bourdoumis: No, because I've never been in a position where my honesty would be challenged. I'd like to think that I could stand up to that challenge. It's frightening, though, because it seems to happen to so many people.

Burns: Why do people vote? Looking at it the other way, why don't more people vote?
Bourdoumis: I don't know whether they don't take the time or they don't care — I've found that when we go door-to-door that some people haven't voted in years and years and they just figure that their one vote won't make a difference. That's why they don't vote.

Burns: Do you think that people get out of the habit of voting?
Bourdoumis: I don't know whether they get out of the habit or not. It seems to be a matter of interest .... The younger people seem to be a little more interested. This time we've had a lot of new registrations, and they seem to be mostly younger people . . . and they voted. On the other hand, some of the older people who seem to be very interested, still won't vote. These are people who haven't voted in a long time. I've made phone calls and they say that on that particular day, "Oh, I don't have the time," or, "I'm sick." They just aren't willing to make that extra effort.

Burns: Do people hesitate to vole in primaries because they have to ask for a party ballot in public?
Bourdoumis: Oh, very definitely. I think that the primary system should be changed so that you don't have to walk in the door and say, "Okay, I want a Democratic or Republican ballot."

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Burns: Do you favor something like the Wisconsin primary system which has a party's candidates listed on one side of the ballot and the other party's candidates listed on the opposite side of the ballot? Then you merely use one side or the other.
Bourdoumis: I think that is one way. When we walk in the door at our polling place, they have our Republican ballots ready. One of these times I'm going to ask for a Democratic ballot . . . just to shock them ... no one likes to be thought of as that predictable ... to be taken for granted.

Burns: Does the lack of a contest or opposition to candidates cause a lower voter turnout?
Bourdoumis: Yes, but people forget that parties need support anyway. Also, they lose the opportunity to fill the slots that haven't been taken with

write-in candidates. My husband was nominated as a write-in candidate in the primary, receiving five or six hundred write-in votes in the county.

Burns: What worries you most about politics?
Bourdoumis: I worry about not enough young people getting involved in politics. We need more young people in political life. The state and the country would be better for it. The young people are fresh, have new ideas and energy that we need. You have to have experienced people there to teach, of course.

Burns: What makes young people interested in politics?
Bourdoumis: Well, for example, the Illinois Constitution doesn't have much life for most people if they study it in books. We had Senator [John] Davidson [R., Springfield] talk to some sixth and eighth graders here about the Constitution and the legislature. I think it helped them understand their government. Most of them had never shaken hands with a state senator. It made

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It's a big experience for the kids when a legislator visits school and talks about the Constitution — or selecting a state animal

government seem more alive to them and really impressed them. Representative [Douglas] Kane [D., Springfield] was at the Burbank School fifth grade. He answered questions about the legislature and the most pressing issue to the students: the selection of the state animal. It may seem trivial, but it's a great experience for them. Maybe once this interest is started, it will continue.

Burns: Is becoming a precinct committeeman a good place for a younger person to start in politics? What advice would you give to a young person who wanted to start in politics?
Bourdoumis: I started with the Young Republicans, did a lot of work with them, and learned the ropes, met people. I'd tell them to start in organizations like this first, then become precinct committeemen.

Burns: You've said that the best part of your job is meeting people. What is the worst part of your job?
Bourdoumis: People telling you that they'll do one thing, and then doing another.

Burns: Could you expand on that?
Bourdoumis: People telling you that they'll vote your ticket or candidates, and then they either don't vote or vote for someone else. I'm not sure why they act that way. This sort of thing was my biggest disappointment when I started in politics. When it comes to politics, people seem to draw a line. When they step over that line into politics, they behave differently than they did on the other side of the line. Thank goodness, most of them return after it's all over.

Some 11,600 elected Republican and Democratic precinct committeemen in downstate will join Mrs. Bourdoumis in getting voters to the polls on March 16. Captains in Chicago and Cook County's 4,835 precincts are appointed by elected ward and township committeemen.

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